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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 08:31 pm:

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Anand_n:What triggers the brain to send a sensory signal to itself ?

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Memory. Nostalgia is an example.

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 08:14 pm:

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Anand_n:What triggers the brain to send a sensory signal to itself

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In my opinion, that does not happen

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 07:47 pm:

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Ishan:Sensory signals trigger thoughts. These signals can come from either outside or inside the brain.

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Outside the brain is simpple – there is an external physical trigger.What triggers the brain to send a sensory signal to itself ?

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 07:34 pm:

really enjoyed reading this thread, can this be archived?

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 06:52 pm:

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Ishan:Sensory signals trigger thoughts. These signals can come from either outside or inside the brain.

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Ishu bhayya nuvvu katthi kataar..

To add.. Neurons (nerve cells) in the brain receive signals directly from sensory receptor cells (light, taste, smell, touch, auditory) and process them. They send send signals to other neurons using basically two receptors, glutamate and GABA. It is just the interplay between this communication that leads to effect, thought and response.

Egjample – If we step on a pin, the sensory cells signalled by our nervous system talk to the sensory neurons in the brain, which immedialtely release neurotransmitters to the motor neurons that immediately send a signal (electric through nerves) for the feet to jump up

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 06:26 pm:

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Anand_n:

So thought is the result of a reaction driven by what ? What is the trigger for thought ?

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Sensory signals trigger thoughts. These signals can come from either outside or inside the brain.

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 06:07 pm:

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Ishan:thought can not be produced

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So thought is the result of a reaction driven by what ? What is the trigger for thought ?

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 05:49 pm:

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Anand_n: I am stuck on does chemical/electrical action in the brain precede the registration of thought

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Of course yes. Thought is a reaction. Without electrical impulse traveling on the neural membranes and voltage potentials in the neurons are altered, thought can not be produced

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 03:45 pm:

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Ishan:Therefore, even though the genetic code is same for different human beings, they act differently because of interferences at other levels.

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I get that – and I think we discussed this before – I am stuck on does chemical/electrical action in the brain precede the registration of thought or vice-versa? I remember reading an article that said the action in the brain starts before we are even conscious of a thought – don’t remember where I read it now.

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 03:39 pm:

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Anand_n:Think it is this news from May.

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yes I am talking about it only.

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 03:33 pm:

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So how is that different from thought ?

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At the most basic level, thought is also a byproduct of neurological phenomenon.

But there are different levels here. In lower order biological processes such as digestion, respiration etc, the genetic code decides the final act. But in thought process, there are different levels such as perception, memory, analytical thinking etc which all are responsible for the final act.

These levels together constitute intelligence. These levels are influenced by many other factors besides the basic genetic code. Most of the times these factors are environmental and societal.

Bottom line is the effects solely determined by genetic code are pretty direct: Gene –> effect. In thought process however, the effects are both direct and indirect depending on the type of the thought involved: Gene–> perception–>memory –> analysis–> effect. Therefore, even though the genetic code is same for different human beings, they act differently because of interferences at other levels.

There might be other levels too, I just simplified it. This kind of complex phenomenon are present only in humans (may be in lower amounts in other mammals).

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 02:40 pm:

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Senapathy:As a matter of fact, electrical impulses to nerves would trigger mechanical motion in dead muscles

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Idi telusu – idivaraku chadivanu And did enough dissections to know that muscles can move after death These very dissections took me off the th medical career path

The idea of sustained periodic beat created artificially – cardiomyogensis – is what the article called it I guess, if I got the spelling and the word right – is to me at a different level

I have hypothesised and even said in this DB many times that spiritual proclivity seems to be an X-chromosome carried trait More chemistry at work ?

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 02:10 pm:

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Anand_n:

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As a matter of fact, electrical impulses to nerves would trigger mechanical motion in dead muscles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Galvani

Amazing discovery. Ee article ki dictionary avasaram ledu :p

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Senapathy:http://schultz.scripps.edu/research.php

section III

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Thanks Its fascinating – skimmed thru the section and had to rack my memory for all the biology and organic chemistry from high school Kind of anti-climactic that heartbeat can be induced as simply …

Will read it again a few times in the evening with a biochem dictionary on the side

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Anand_n:

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http://schultz.scripps.edu/research.php

section III

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Senapathy:a researcher @ work created a beating heart tissue in a petri-dish.

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Wow – that’s really neat – any write up /paper that non- biochem people like me can understand ?

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 01:30 pm:

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Ishan:What appears as an intelligent act is purely a result of biochemical and/or physical processes. Its all chemistry.

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So how is that different from thought ?

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 01:22 pm:

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Ishan:Its all chemistry.

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 01:18 pm:

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Anand_n:What is unconscious decisions today is generations of decision making, learning from bad decisions and course corrections encoded into our reflexes.

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Not really. To make decisions, one needs to have high order brain and memory capabilities. What appears as an intelligent act is purely a result of biochemical and/or physical processes. Its all chemistry.

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 12:30 pm:

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Senapathy:

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In addition, a researcher @ work created a beating heart tissue in a petri-dish. That amazes me more

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 12:29 pm:

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I knew this news. Anyone in biology field know about it. And for us this effort is not surprising, a carefully done experiment of adding the building blocks together to create life. Just akin to man creating fire.

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 12:24 pm:

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Senapathy:Link pls

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Think it is this news from May.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/05/scientists-create- first-self-replicating-synthetic-life/

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Gotcha:It’s a big news why nobody is discussing that

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If you are talking about the above, we did discuss it when it first came out

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 10:34 am:

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Gotcha:some guy created life

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Link pls

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 08:34 am:

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Ishan:For me intelligence is some thing which involves conscious decisions and improvisation which humans can do at will.

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I started in this thread with that definition of intelligence – of conscious decision making within a lifespan But as I thought about it I changed my mind What is unconscious decisions today is generations of decision making, learning from bad decisions and course corrections encoded into our reflexes. Going up the rod for the creeper is genetic – but assessing the environment and tendrils growing to take advantage of a small change in environment is a “decision” that happens only when the environment presents the opportunity …I guess if there were a hundred tendrils and one hit the hole I would be more inclined to think it was a random chance

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I heard news couple of days back wher some guy created life. It’s a big news why nobody is discussing that

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 01:47 am:

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Explain pls

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Water runs down the hill because of gravity. This movement of water is passive because water by itself doesn’t move and fall without gravity which is one of the basic forces of nature. Similarly biology is also guided by natural laws.

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Posted on Tuesday, November 23, 2010 – 01:44 am:

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So do you consider reflexes and amygdala reactions not intelligence then ? Are these not conditioning of the mind so as to not have to think and ponder ? I think they form a big part of intelligence too – the ability to react appropriately to change in environmental conditions…TO my mind the creeper changing its growth behavior on the sensory perception of the hole and to literally take advantage of an unexpected opportunity is a supreme example of instinctive intelligence

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What you are calling intelligence here is actually an execution of basic biochemical processes guided by the genes. A creeper crawling on a pipe is nothing intelligent as its doing something which is expected of it. If it does something that it is not encoded to do, then its intelligence. For me intelligence is some thing which involves conscious decisions and improvisation which humans can do at will.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:22 pm:

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Will pick the free will discussion sometime – because that is the natural second iteration of this discussion

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Thanks, I guess

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 10:59 pm:

Anand, I am sure a lot of us in the DB are pretty envious of your supremacy in star(fan) following you go girl !!!

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 10:38 pm:

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Anand_n:Genetic encoding / survival instinct / nature’s intelligence at work

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 10:34 pm:

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Senapathy:Superlatives enduku pinni. Each organism is genetically encoded to look around for food and support for growth.

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Agreed supreme was an overstatement Genetic encoding / survival instinct / nature’s intelligence at work – different ways to view it, I guess

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 10:04 pm:

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Ishan:passive phenomenon

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Explain pls

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 10:03 pm:

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Anand_n:is a supreme example of instinctive intelligence

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Superlatives enduku pinni. Each organism is genetically encoded to look around for food and support for growth. For creepers, they need support in addition. Anthey kaani there is not too much adaptation akkada

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 09:49 pm:

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Masularex:excuse me for my cheap shot…

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Ishan:The question is whether that creeper ‘thought’ of going up the pipe or to form the tendril. Did the creeper had enough intelligence to ‘ponder’ over the choices it had. IF a man is put in to similar situation, he would calculate and evaluate his options and makes a decision.

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So do you consider reflexes and amygdala reactions not intelligence then ? Are these not conditioning of the mind so as to not have to think and ponder ? I think they form a big part of intelligence too – the ability to react appropriately to change in environmental conditions…TO my mind the creeper changing its growth behavior on the sensory perception of the hole and to literally take advantage of an unexpected opportunity is a supreme example of instinctive intelligence

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 08:33 pm:

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Anand_n:
LEt me give an example- I have a creeper in my backyard and I tied it to a little stand made of hollow steel pipe I for support – a week later I saw that the creeper had wound round it and climbed up. What really made me do a double take was that half way up the stand was a 1/2 cm hole through the pipe for screws – while the creeper had wound up the pipe till there – at the hole it sent a thin tendril through the hole – and not once but 3 times round the rod threading through the hole Do you define that as intelligent nature or random or somewhere in between ?

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The question is whether that creeper ‘thought’ of going up the pipe or to form the tendril. Did the creeper had enough intelligence to ‘ponder’ over the choices it had. IF a man is put in to similar situation, he would calculate and evaluate his options and makes a decision. Biology is a very passive phenomenon guided by nature’s fundamental laws.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 07:54 pm:

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Anand_n:As a member of the same “intellectally deprived gender ” – I guess I should be honored by your presence in my thread

Thank you for sharing such “intellectual” insight on the capability of a female brain

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Anand_n:do you think free will exists

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Pinni, some other day, on a different thread.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 06:57 pm:

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Senapathy:Ramayan sun ne ke baad kisi ne poocha blah blah blah types undi mee conclusion

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LOL phir kabhi batayenge kyon poocha

Here’s the next round – do you think free will exists ?

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Ramayan sun ne ke baad kisi ne poocha blah blah blah types undi mee conclusion

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Senapathy:That would be my take. The processes adhere to the laws of physics (thermodynamics) and free energy.

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So in the normal sense of the word intelligence – there is no “intelligent” driver to the events – they just take place randomly till the forces balance out?

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 06:43 pm:

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Anand_n: inbuilt quality of any entity/system

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That would be my take. The processes adhere to the laws of physics (thermodynamics) and free energy.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 06:41 pm:

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Senapathy:That would be my take

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Mine too. I think nature is a self-balancing system of interconnected forces.It needs to have some intelligence as to how to balance itself – but wait – does gravitating towards equilibrium need intelligence or is it an inbuilt quality of any entity/system ?

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 06:27 pm:

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Oohlala:however for me ‘randomness’ in universe makes sense

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Naa tho agree ainanuduku

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 06:20 pm:

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Anand_n:intelligent nature

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That would be my take

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 05:57 pm:

>>there is nothing random in this universe……randomness is an absurd idea…

I don’t mean to digress, however for me ‘randomness’ in universe makes sense, especially when I wonder why two situations with exactly same variables can produce entirely different results.

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Sandipus:time did not exist before the origin of universe

correct me if i am wrong

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If you look at time as a rate of change – unless there is an observer there is no time…pre-origin of universe if there is no observed change- there is no time

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Ishan:The reason man is differentiated from nature is that man is intelligent and nature is not.

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LEt me give an example- I have a creeper in my backyard and I tied it to a little stand made of hollow steel pipe I for support – a week later I saw that the creeper had wound round it and climbed up. What really made me do a double take was that half way up the stand was a 1/2 cm hole through the pipe for screws – while the creeper had wound up the pipe till there – at the hole it sent a thin tendril through the hole – and not once but 3 times round the rod threading through the hole Do you define that as intelligent nature or random or somewhere in between ?

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 04:22 pm:

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Masularex:we are blessed…that’s for sure…but we are also cursed…we had the peacefull existence of sevaral billion years as tiny particles spread across few light years…one fine day we are one part, not more than two meters…and we have a life…we are thinking…we are thinking about our own exsistence and every crap out there…tearing your head every day…if someone give me chance again…I’ll choose first part…

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Isn’t that the goal of all spiritual pursuit – to lose that distinction between self and rest of the universe ?

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Cocanada:We created the universe.

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When the boundary is gone – where is the distinction between the creator and the created ?

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Masularex:when I said intellectually deprived gender…I wasn’t insecure…now see the the silence fairer sex!!!

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As a member of the same “intellectally deprived gender ” – I guess I should be honored by your presence in my thread

Thank you for sharing such “intellectual” insight on the capability of a female brain

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 02:34 pm:

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Ishan:he has no other platform to perform his experiments.

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Engilipess meeda baaga pattu undi meeku.

Adedo gmail lo lolli chesanu. Koncham chudandi rao gaaru.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 02:30 pm:

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Cocanada:Unpredictability vs Randomness gurinchi kuda mee opinion cheppandi

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In what context are you looking at? Koncham chepte, I can think more about it.

Unpredictable and random are synonyms linguistically.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 02:23 pm:

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Masularex:enti annai/thammdu idaantha??? portabatuna nuvvu time machine lo ikkada ki vacchina Swami Shivananda ki kaadu kada???

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Please aa comparison kooda cheyyaku. Manam mere mortals.

I am 30. So annai o thammud o nuvve decide chesko. I liked some of ur posts though

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 02:09 pm:

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Senapathy:

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Senapathy uncle
mee voice chala nachindi naaku. Unpredictability vs Randomness gurinchi kuda mee opinion cheppandi

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 02:07 pm:

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Masularex:which one is better??? Nature or it’s creation???

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yes nature and man both are creators, but We need to think about the PURPOSE and METHOD of the creation. Then only we can notice the distinction. Purpose – nature has no purpose to create man. But man creates things for his benefit. Method – nature uses random combination. Man uses scientific method.

Who is more intelligent? Well, to create as complex being as a human being, its not surprising that nature took half a billion years. Can man create equally complex being in shorter time? may be, but there is no originality there because man always mimics nature and uses its tools. Man’s abilities are always within the realm of nature’s principles and forces because he has no other platform to perform his experiments.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 02:01 pm:

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Senapathy:All matter has gunas. Tamas and Rajas. Tamas is the dormant state and Rajas is the active state. It is the law of the nature.

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enti annai/thammdu idaantha??? portabatuna nuvvu time machine lo ikkada ki vacchina Swami Shivananda ki kaadu kada???

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 01:59 pm:

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Senapathy:The concept of the pathogens like bacteria developing immunity against antibacterials by random changes.

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those changes may seem random to us, but something intelligent might be going on behind the scenes

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 01:30 pm:

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Mrhyderabad:

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but

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 01:16 pm:

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Vjavasi:what exactly you mean by intelligence in randomness?

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I will give one biosciences example. The concept of the pathogens like bacteria developing immunity against antibacterials by random changes. That is an intelligent design.

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Vjavasi:Do you mean there is no motivation or direction behind universe?

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That is not what I meant in any of my posts. I cannot comprehend to make a comment.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 01:04 pm:

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Senapathy:I was saying that intelligence and random are not completely exclusive. Wait to see what others think of it

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you can’t use both words together….what exactly you mean by intelligence in randomness?….Do you mean there is no motivation or direction behind universe?

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 01:02 pm:

let me spice it up!!! when I said intellectually deprived gender…I wasn’t insecure…now see the the silence fairer sex!!! (if don’t get it!!! then you’re a man”)

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:59 pm:

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Vjavasi:pseudo-random

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We are getting too technical here.

I was saying that intelligence and random are not completely exclusive. Wait to see what others think of it

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:45 pm:

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Senapathy:Password authentication always uses a random string.

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till now nothing is purely random generation…..the fact you use a formula or process to generate makes it pseudo-random

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:42 pm:

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Vjavasi:random and intelligence are opposites

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I disagree.

Meeru IT field aithe I will give an example. Password authentication always uses a random string. Isnt that an intelligent design.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:41 pm:

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Masularex:don’t you think that, human brain is the greatest achivement of the nature??? so far

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It is sad that we as humans consider technology as intelligence. We measure intelligence based on the abilities we as a species excel at such as hand-to-eye coordination. Making weapons/vehicles/computers/spaceships etc where we use our brains to focus our eyes to guide our hands.

Whales on the other hand have built-in-abilities like sonar that can beat the latest and top of the world electronic sonar device. Heck they can even mimic a sonic Blast and not to forget that it is an organic submarine.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:35 pm:

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Senapathy:I think randomness is itself an intelligent cause.

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random and intelligence are opposites

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:31 pm:

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Masularex:Since it is the only unstopble and unlimited phenomenon in the unverse, Nature could check all the possibilites…take a Deck of cards, start taking thirteen cards randomly…one day you’ll get a perfect sequence..all in one particular order…same color… it is not even a chance occurence….bound to happen…now imagine this bundle of thirteen cards got a life and intellegence magically because of that sequence, all of sudden…it has a tough time understanding reason for it’s existence…becuase it is blissfully ignorant of it’s billion years of motionless life…or not yet intellegent enough to understand all of this…

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Annai. Koncham philosophically explain chestanu. Atleast will try.

All matter has gunas. Tamas and Rajas. Tamas is the dormant state and Rajas is the active state. It is the law of the nature. I think nature also holds the key to conversion of Tamas to rajas and vice versa. The state of Tamas is ingnorance and I believe being blissful comes only from Rajas guna.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:26 pm:

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Vjavasi:randomness implies no cause

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Eti annai meeru kooda.

I think randomness is itself an intelligent cause.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:23 pm:

there is nothing random in this universe……randomness is an absurd idea….randomness implies no cause….nothing is isolated in this universe and everything has cause…..so, all this talk of random evoulution is just another egoistic idea of ego

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:20 pm:

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Ishan:Just like we manufacture things airplanes, televisions etc – we used the fundamental principles of nature and found the right combination and proportions of them to create them

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yes we created all these things in quick time…but “Nature” took long time…to creat a stipid sand bag, which can explore every thing on this world, understand most of the things in this world and recreate some of it…which one is better??? Nature or it’s creation???

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:15 pm:

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Masularex:human brain is the greatest achivement of the nature??? so far

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Probably. But we have our own limitations too in terms of sensory perception and adaptibility to nature.

But in terms of manipulating nature, I think we are as far as our knowledge goes.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:07 pm:

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Masularex:

I can’t ans that question because that’s not a question….do nalytical thinking!!! we are still unable understand what inside our brain!!! which makes all the miracles and threads like this…don’t you think that, human brain is the greatest achivement of the nature??? so far….atleast in our Episode!!!

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By analytical thinking, I meant the property of transforming things at will. Just like we manufacture things airplanes, televisions etc – we used the fundamental principles of nature and found the right combination and proportions of them to create them – but nature’s events are random not done ‘at will’ – its just an hypothesis

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:02 pm:

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Ishan:If that is true, where do you see intelligence in nature? Can nature do analytical thinking like we do? if not then how man can represent nature?

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I can’t ans that question because that’s not a question….do nalytical thinking!!! we are still unable understand what inside our brain!!! which makes all the miracles and threads like this…don’t you think that, human brain is the greatest achivement of the nature??? so far….atleast in our Episode!!!

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:02 pm:

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Mrhyderabad:

All the matter was condensed at one place and big bang happened antaaru kadaa? whr did that matter come from?

How can we just escape easily saying “We can’t explain any thing before big bang as our physical laws will not be applicable..”

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Its not that we escape, but we still dont understand it. Matter might have existed since eternity – big bang might be the beginning of one of the cosmological cycles.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:56 am:

Big bang happened in space, right? Whr did that space come from?

All the matter was condensed at one place and big bang happened antaaru kadaa? whr did that matter come from?

How can we just escape easily saying “We can’t explain any thing before big bang as our physical laws will not be applicable..”

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:54 am:

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Masularex:Man represents some of Nature attributes…

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If that is true, where do you see intelligence in nature? Can nature do analytical thinking like we do? if not then how man can represent nature?

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the whole purpose of evolution is to adapt to the environment and sustenance of the species. As long as nature around changes and challenges us, we continue to evolve even though the process might be slower than ‘before’.

Important question however would be what are these monkeys and lower order animals are still existing on this earth if their survival was under threat because of changes in the nature. Here, independent of adaptability, mutations might have played significant roles.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:51 am:

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Sandipus:time did not exist before the origin of universe

correct me if i am wrong

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you’re quite right….only if you think every thing started after the big bang…but but…what happeneded before that??? what lit that fuse???

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:44 am:

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Mrhyderabad:

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Evolution does not stop. There are two types of evolution, convergent and divergent. We see divergent evolution on the macroscopic level. ANtey chimps to man annamata.

Sometimes convergent evolution happens @ genetic level. It is tough for me here to explain the attributes here.

Finally, we will evolve to something else.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:42 am:

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Masularex:Time” (my view only)
Since it is the only unstopble and unlimited phenomenon in the unverse,

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time did not exist before the origin of universe

correct me if i am wrong

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:41 am:

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I have a silly Q.
I am sure you guys believe in Darwin’s evolution theory. Right?

Does evolution process have any ending?

If we n and other animals are product of long evolution process then what comes next? Like we came to this stage after going through many stages like monkey, chimp, neanderthals/homo sapiens etc. Does the process stop here or will also become something else in future?

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:41 am:

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Ishan:I like your line of thinking. The reason man is differentiated from nature is that man is intelligent and nature is not.

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here I have a problem with you…I don’t see that Man is defferent from the Nature…Nature is the Man…Man represents some of Nature attributes…they are inseparable…almost like one entity…but not really..concept of the Nature is an abstract thing…takes time to understand…

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:36 am:

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Masularex:

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Annai. I will get back to ur intriguing posts. Just getting started @ work

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:36 am:

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Ishan: it might be just our illusion that this nature exists

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Emi annai. Advaita philosophy naa..

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Ishan:The reason man is differentiated from nature is that man is intelligent and nature is not.

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In addition, man is nature’s own creation, but has the ability to work against nature’s will. May be we are the most evolved species known to understand and manipulate nature’s actions.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:27 am:

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Cocanada:May be, we are beyond time and material world.

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or may be time and material world never existed – it might be just our illusion that this nature exists !!

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I like your line of thinking. The reason man is differentiated from nature is that man is intelligent and nature is not. This contradiction has always confused man and hence the origin of philosophy, religion and metaphysics.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:27 am:

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Cocanada:We created the universe

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVtPaNo8RBM#t=2m10

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:25 am:

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Cocanada:“We” is a collective consciousness. Its eternal.

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then please differentiate “we” and the “universe” ???

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Cocanada:“Creation” implies there is a time line. May be, we are beyond time and material world.

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deep into advaita vedanta??? please back into real world…we morons live there…

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Anand_n:

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sorry thread is going in a wrong way…will try to steer it away….

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:15 am:

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Masularex:what created “we”

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“We” is a collective consciousness. Its eternal.
“Creation” implies there is a time line. May be, we are beyond time and material world.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:12 am:

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Cocanada:We created the universe.

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what created “we”

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:07 am:

I think of it the other way round

Consciousness is not a product of the material world. Material world is a product of consciousness. We created the universe.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 11:02 am:

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Masularex:Since it is the only unstopble and unlimited phenomenon in the unverse, Nature could check all the possibilites…take a Deck of cards, start taking thirteen cards randomly…one day you’ll get a perfect sequence..all in one particular order…same color… it is not even a chance occurence….bound to happen…now imagine this bundle of thirteen cards got a life and intellegence magically because of that sequence, all of sudden…it has a tough time understanding reason for it’s existence…becuase it is blissfully ignorant of it’s billion years of motionless life…or not yet intellegent enough to understand all of this…

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mee psot lo chaala depth vunnattu vundi. Let me read it again

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 10:38 am:

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Sandipus:no need to break our heads over things we will never understand

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then we seize to exist….curiosity differentiated man from the beast….

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 10:29 am:

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Senapathy:What makes me wonder is the force behind this exquisite design. If it is just a chance, random event. We are blessed

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we are blessed…that’s for sure…but we are also cursed…we had the peacefull existence of sevaral billion years as tiny particles spread across few light years…one fine day we are one part, not more than two meters…and we have a life…we are thinking…we are thinking about our own exsistence and every crap out there…tearing your head every day…if someone give me chance again…I’ll choose first part… not only for me, but also for the rest of the Earthlings…happy ending…(just kidding)
quote: the force behind this exquisite design. ans is “Time” (my view only)
Since it is the only unstopble and unlimited phenomenon in the unverse, Nature could check all the possibilites…take a Deck of cards, start taking thirteen cards randomly…one day you’ll get a perfect sequence..all in one particular order…same color… it is not even a chance occurence….bound to happen…now imagine this bundle of thirteen cards got a life and intellegence magically because of that sequence, all of sudden…it has a tough time understanding reason for it’s existence…becuase it is blissfully ignorant of it’s billion years of motionless life…or not yet intellegent enough to understand all of this…

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 09:26 am:

There is no intelligent design

we are here only by chance

no need to break our heads over things we will never understand

live life happily till we die

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 08:44 am:

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thanx for sharing

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Senapathy:We are currently outsmarting the nature. And nature is trying to catch up. On a long run, I believe that we will be outrun.

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one thing that always baffles me is….what exactly differentiate Man and Nature??? when we are product of the Nature and we are part of the Nature, how come our actions considered unnatural or challenging and winning the Nature??? If using surgical knives…cloning…gene modification is unnatural..unethical…then…Komodo Dragons feat of production of offspring without fertilization by a male, Bat’s SONAR ability or even plankton sucking up the most of CO2 in the atmosphere…thus creating a living space for us…all should be considered unnatural…that was my take on Biomedical ethics

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:47 am:

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Senapathy:

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check ur email

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:38 am:

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Ishan:

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senapathy007@yahoo.com

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:35 am:

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Senapathy:

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nee email id ettu…ippude oka email pamputhaa

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:27 am:

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Ishan:vonti ramalingam

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Yeh dosti. Hum nahin todenge..

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:26 am:

ee thokkalo stars lolli endivaa? it is really annoying…stars ki value lekundaa pothundi…evado jujubi gaadu pani kattukuni maree script raasinattundu stars ki…

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:26 am:

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Vacchindi vacchindi..

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:24 am:

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Senapathy:Koncham naa thoughts organize cheskoni email chestanu.

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Sure Edo timepass ki chaduvutuntanu – I am under no deadlines to solve the mysteries of life Email vachinda ? If you did not get it – pm your preferred email address to me

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:21 am:

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Senapathy:This is my bread and butter

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thammud nuvvu biology aa? inni rojul vonti ramalingam laa vunna…ippudu company dorikindi naaku……

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:14 am:

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Anand_n:Random mutations by genetic intelligence or by accident that enables it to evade surveillance would be the question then

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The concept of having it random is “intelligent”. Because, the host would not catch a random change, but can track a selected change ani kavi bhaavam.

Koncham naa thoughts organize cheskoni email chestanu.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:09 am:

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Senapathy:And that is a trait of intelligence in the genetic code.

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Ok so you moved the frame of reference for intelligence to the genetic level Random mutations by genetic intelligence or by accident that enables it to evade surveillance would be the question then

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:07 am:

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Anand_n:OK – now someone explain to me – who’s converting the singles into fives?

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Meeku musugu admirers kooda unnar emo

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:05 am:

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Dorling bhayya. Nenu engineer ani ekkada anna seppana. Nuvve assume chesaav. This is my bread and butter

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:04 am:

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Anand_n:I think it is survival of the fittest

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Nopes pinni. It is not the fittest. It is the one that evades immune surveillance. And that occurs as a random mutation event in general. And that is a trait of intelligence in the genetic code.

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:02 am:

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nuvvevaro nijamgaa cheppu? oka engineer ki intha biology analysis ability vundadam rare…maryadaga cheppakunte ninnu darren dorling aavahisthaadu…

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Posted on Monday, November 22, 2010 – 12:00 am:

OK – now someone explain to me – who’s converting the singles into fives?

No point in making it an ego issue folks – Find a better cause to spend your energies on

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:59 pm:

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Anand_n:Does the resistance to antivirals not develop inside the host ?

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That is true.

For parasites, natural selection happens due to two reasons. External environmental factors and next is inside the host. For viruses especially, the natural selection leading to virulence happens in the “natural host” – egjample pigs and chicken. That makes the new strains H1N1 and H5N1 types anna maata. That selection is more diverse than what happens in the human body.

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:49 pm:

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Senapathy:Natural selection works only outside the host.

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Does the resistance to antivirals not develop inside the host ?

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Senapathy:The more apt word to use is evolutionary divergence.

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Thanks – I read the stuff out of interest so laymen terminology telusu ante

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:47 pm:

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Senapathy:Explain why not

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Within a lifespan – changing by conscious choice requires intelligence. But in the context of a virus – I think it is survival of the fittest – and then reproduction only by the resistant strains

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:46 pm:

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Auntie. Nenu ee singles gola ignore cheyya leka potunna

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:46 pm:

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Anand_n:natural selection does it not

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Not completely true. Natural selection works only outside the host.

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Anand_n:multiple generations go by fast and you see evolution moving faster

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It is partially true. The more apt word to use is evolutionary divergence.

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:40 pm:

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Senapathy:the most intelligent and adaptable beings on earth do not even have a brain. VIRUS.

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And their evolution works by natural selection does it not? Since the viral lifespan is so short – multiple generations go by fast and you see evolution moving faster

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:40 pm:

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Anand_n:Adaptability may not need intelligence

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Explain why not

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:39 pm:

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Please read it as adaptable + intelligent

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:31 pm:

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Senapathy:the most intelligent and adaptable

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Adaptability may not need intelligence

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:30 pm:

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Katthi:I was listening to radio show last week and they were discussing same thing.

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These articles are from NPR’s series – I don’t always get to listen so I read them when I get time

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:13 pm:

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Senapathy:

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Naaku singles ese kukka.. S naakipotaav

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:06 pm:

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Katthi:Human is so intelligent becoz of the life
span of the human. Human has the brain which learns slowly and grow slowly. Finally the knowledge which is earning in human evalution would finally becomes small to the future brain. For us computer was rocket science 10 years back. now it is at the kids palm..

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Absolute BS. As a matter of fact, the most intelligent and adaptable beings on earth do not even have a brain. VIRUS.

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:03 pm:

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Senapathy:

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ikkada jambalakidi pamba ani jarugutundi

Papi gadu post este katthi la digali

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:02 pm:

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Katthi:

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Papi gaaru. Mee posts ki intha jana aadaran emiti

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 11:01 pm:

vammo

Papi gadu post este katthi la digali

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 10:55 pm:

also there was small logic. Human body structure is built based on human habits. As human being starting sitting and sleeping the tail of the human vanished over the period.

Now becoz of the computer and smartphone the human structure would be changed and after 1k years humans may not have butt and neck. Head would be popped up from shoulder and bent down as if he is looking into computer.

Papi gadu post este katthi la digali

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 10:49 pm:

nenu eshina daniki stars guddara leka.. Anand opposition ki ani guddara?

chass politics

Papi gadu post este katthi la digali

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 10:45 pm:

Anand,

I was listening to radio show last week and they were discussing same thing. The fast the brain develops the smalest life the being would have. There research going that couple of million years ago there was another human kind of being in the world which used to have just 10 to 12 years of life. after 5 years of life the brain used to stop develop.

Human is so intelligent becoz of the life span of the human. Human has the brain which learns slowly and grow slowly. Finally the knowledge which is earning in human evalution would finally becomes small to the future brain. For us computer was rocket science 10 years back. now it is at the kids palm..

Papi gadu post este katthi la digali

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 10:24 pm:

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Jalsa:prathi postu ki pani gattukuni singles vestunnaaru

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You can only feel sorry for people who don’t have anything better to do with their time LRMB lo cheppinattu “Get well soon – bhagawan aapko sadbuddhi de ” anukoni ignore cheyyatam uttamam

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Kkd:ikkada cooking sese chance and time dorakatam ledhu….

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Due to increased work pressure or other stuff ?

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 10:15 pm:

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Anand_n:

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ikkada cooking sese chance and time dorakatam ledhu….

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 10:15 pm:

evaru saami Anand gari prathi postu ki pani gattukuni singles vestunnaaru? Intha chillara ga chestunnaru. reason ento cheppachu ga.

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 10:10 pm:

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Kkd:vadu feel kadu…nenu feel kanu…..

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Apacharam – God of Indian cinema ni ila vadu-veedu ante elaga

How’s life – still cooking in India ?

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Posted on Sunday, November 21, 2010 – 10:09 pm:

Anand gariki single star fans enti….

asala post lo matter kooda soodakunda esesthunnattu vunnaru…..nenu DB lo leni time lo edhaina flash back vundhaa…??

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